Were The Proposed Raises Posted Anywhere? We Can’t Find Them.

We had a discussion last week with a follower about what kind of notice the County Commissioners are required to give to the County BEFORE they approve a raise.  From the Local Government Code, Sec. 152.013. PROCEDURE FOR SETTING AMOUNTS FOR ELECTED OFFICERS, here is what we have:

Before the 10th day before the date of the meeting, the commissioners court must publish in a newspaper of general circulation in the county a notice of: (1) any salaries, expenses, or allowances that are proposed to be increased; and (2) the amount of the proposed increases. (c) Before filing the annual budget with the county clerk, the commissioners court shall give written notice to each elected county and precinct officer of the officer’s salary and personal expenses to be included in the budget.

Both Escobar and Perez acknowledged this in story published by KFOX on the 12th with Escobar stating: “In in this day and age, it’s on Twitter. It’s on Facebook.”.  But, as KFOX pointed out, neither Escobar or Perez had posted anything on Facebook or Twitter about the proposed pay raises and we’re pretty sure Twitter and Facebook do not count as “a newspaper of general circulation.”  In fact, the only reference to publishing in any agenda is from August 1st and it was for publishing notice about the Effective and Rollback Tax Rate Notices. In case you are wondering, click here to see what it SHOULD have looked like (this one is from Waller County).

Does the fact that they didn’t follow the local government code invalidate the raises?  We honestly don’t know, maybe some of you out there do and can let us know.  In our opinion it should, that code was created to ensure that the public gets a chance to know about the raises and weigh-in BEFORE the raises are approved, not after the fact.

Also, Refuse the Juice has some interesting ideas on how the County Commissioners could have sent this out for a vote.

 

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17 thoughts on “Were The Proposed Raises Posted Anywhere? We Can’t Find Them.

  1. They posted in their meeting agenda’s that are put up as required by law 72 hours ahead of the meetings but as we keep telling people this is not a done deal until the budget is passed by the CCC which that notice should be up with in the time required by law which budget approval should take place in September.. See what most do not understand is the CCC have a right to go back an revisit this question before final budget approval but then again they do not want the people was El Paso County to know this fact. This is why the people need to keep call the Judge and CCC members out on this issue. Stand up people and call these servants to task!

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  2. Arlene Taute
    Please give citation where in the Texas Open Meetings Act states meeting agendas must be published in a newspaper? Do not believe this law states that. Believe you need to go back an read what the requirement are for giving notice to the public. In fact you will find the notices for meeting at the Courts house which is well with in the Open Meeting Act and also this information can be found in most cases on -line at the County website 72 hours before their meetings.To help every one out who may be interested here is the link to the PDF file for the 2016 Texas Open Meetings Handbook.
    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/files/og/OMA_handbook_2016.pdf
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    1. You seem to be twisting information, watcheroflights. Are you friends with Veronica and Vince or are you actually Veronica or Vince or maybe Jaime?

      The elptaxguardians posted, “Before the 10th day before the date of the meeting, the commissioners court must publish in a newspaper of general circulation in the county a notice of: (1) any salaries, expenses, or allowances that are proposed to be increased; and (2) the amount of the proposed increases. (c) Before filing the annual budget with the county clerk, the commissioners court shall give written notice to each elected county and precinct officer of the officer’s salary and personal expenses to be included in the budget.”

      You then said the meeting agenda is posted 72 hours in advance. I then commented that the agenda IS NOT posted in the paper, therefore the law was broken. In other words, the agenda does not get posted in the paper EVER as that is not a requirement, so IF the salary increases were posted on the agenda, that DID NOT meet the requirement to publish the SALARY INCREASES – NOT THE AGENDA – in the paper.

      So exactly what part are you unclear on now?

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  3. Arlene Taute
    You do not understand how the process works. CCC’s raise will not be final until the budget is passed which will be next month. They will post that notice as required by law 10 days before the budget is finalized. In that notice you will find the information being give on salary increases.
    Show us one example where meeting agenda for the next meeting of city or county government has been posted in the newspaper you will not find it because it is not required by law.
    We do wish it was a requirement but sadly it is not.
    Arlene Taute we do hope you express your out rage when they start the public budget hearing and go give the CCC an hear full.
    You may wish to check we are the ones who mount the effort here and on other site to get citizens to call out the CCC on their raises. You may wish to check your facts before you make false statement about others.

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    1. watcheroflights, You know EPCC has a basic reading course you can take. I never said ANYONE DOES OR SHOULD post the agenda in the newspaper. So who exactly do you work for or who is your friend – Veronica, Vince, David, or Andrew? Or maybe you are one of them? Because you sure defending them and seem to know their process.

      You say you are the ones encouraging people to complain. Your posts do not reflect that, although your posts are confusing because of poor grammar and punctuation. You keep harping about them not being required to publish their agendas in the newspaper when no one said a damn thing about that. Seems suspicious to me. And by the way, I do not think ANYONE should be required to publish agendas in the newspaper. Do you know how many pages some of them are? That would be ridiculous. Having them on the Internet is sufficient.

      You want people to waste their time attending the meeting? What for? They are not going to listen. They are still defending themselves as we speak. Escobar just sent out a newsletter justifying everything.

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  4. Arlene Taute
    We always encourage the citizen to engage government. If you believe we are wrong in what we are telling you then we encourage you to file a complaint of violation of the law with the County Attorney’s Office and at the same time you can also file a complaint with the Texas Attorney Generals Office. Real simple just out line the violation by code of law with any supporting documents and ask for a review and a opinion with the Texas Attorney Generals Office. If the Texas Attorney Generals Office give an opinion in your favor they will send an enforcement letter to the county to correct the problem.
    If you need any help with contact information for these offices please let us know we are more than willing to help.

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  5. Under Texas Law: Sec. 551.049. COUNTY GOVERNMENTAL BODY: PLACE OF POSTING NOTICE. A county governmental body shall post notice of each meeting on a bulletin board at a place convenient to the public in the county courthouse.

    Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 268, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.

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  6. Sec. 551.041. NOTICE OF MEETING REQUIRED. A governmental body shall give written notice of the date, hour, place, and subject of each meeting held by the governmental body.

    Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 268, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.

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  7. Those notice can be found at the Court House and they can also be found on their website. Once again if you believe they have violated the law file a complaint.

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    1. watcheroflights, OMG, what part are you not understanding?

      U, the posting of the agenda is totally different than what was reported here. This has nothing to do with the agenda. watcheroflights is just confusing the issue and it seems like it is on purpose.

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  8. Arlene Taute
    You are confused how the process works and in doing so are trying to imply some thing that is not true. Do you think if the CCC was acting in violation of the law some body would not have file a complaint long ago when they gave themselves a raise last time and used the some process. You’re kidding right! Once again if you think there has been a violation of the law by the CCC than” FILE A COMPLAINT” it’s easy not rocket science. Then again we can tell you that you will lose that complaint but prove us wrong.

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    1. watcheroflights, I think Veronica is calling you. Go on about your day. You do not comprehend anything that is said if you do not agree with it. I think Vince needs a back rub, so there goes your whole day.

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  9. Arlene Taute
    Since you want to take a cheap shot and show your total ignorance Arlene. So tell us what is stopping you from filing a complaint? You are trying to claim they CCC has violate the law but have failed to support such a claim. So file the complaint the only one stopping you is you. What you are claiming is non-sense. If you do not follow up your claim up with a compliant it shows you are talking out your backside and cannot support what you are claiming. Simply put step up to the plate or stop the BS. Back your mouth out with action, not rhetoric which you won’t.
    See Arlene we know the law and clearly you do not.

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  10. Arlene
    Here is our Open Records Request to the county to document the raises and the discussion of the raise.
    Where is your ORR on the matter to the county? If you are going to claim some kind of violation you just may need this information.
    Also get your behind to the county meeting this coming Monday on your claim and lets see what responses you get from the CCC bet money you will have every reason why you can’t.

    This is a an open records request to the County of El Paso Texas
    8/15/2016
    Requesting all correspondence, mail, e-mails, text messages, fax and supporting documents and communications, which may be in all forms paper, electronic, fax, hand written, between, El Paso County Attorney, County Commissioners and Judge Escobar for raises for El Paso County Commissioners and County Judge passed by the El Paso County Commissioners Court in August of 2016. Also all meeting minutes public and executive session to the discussions , as allowed under law, of the above said pay raise for said members. This request also is not only for requested information from El Paso County owned devices and servers and e-mails, social media accounts but in addition from all private devices, servers and e-mails, social media accounts , of the County Attorney, County Commissioners and County Judge where the raises for these County officials were discussed. Also copy of the contract for the Company and supporting documents for supporting study for these elected officials raise and cost of said study.
    We request all information requested in electronic form such as DVD, CD or by e-mail in PDF form. Also request of cost for requested information.
    Thomas Dorman——- Arlene you can look us up in the El Paso phone book we are listed and real easy to find. Oh Vince and his staff hates us because we call them out all the time. Most time Vince or his staff want even return our calls.

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